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A large party of the Electors of' Finsbury, with several

Liberal Members of Parliament, dined together at White Conduit House, on Wednesday, to celebrate the return of Mr. Wakley as Member for Finsbury. Mr. Wakley himself had been taken ill, and continued too indisposed to be present. Mr. Leader, M. P. was Chairman ; and near him sat Messrs. Hume, O'Connell, Harvey, Roebuck, Fitzsimon, and Morgan John O'Connell. The usual loyal toasts were given ; but, " shame to say," at a meeting of Liberals, when the Princess Victoria's health was proposed, some unmannerly fellows hissed. Mr. Wakley's better health was drunk with enthusiasm ; and then followed "Mr. Hume, and the Radical Members of Par- liament," proposed in a brief and appropriate speech by Dr. Epps. Mr. Hume spoke in reply. He declared his determination to support Ministeis as long as they went in the right way. He avowed himself Site advocate of Short Parliaments, Suffrage-extension, the Ballot, and the Repeal of the Newspaper-tax. The union of all classes of Reformers was necessary to support a Liberal Government ; for by the maintenance of a Liberal Government they might get a good deal, while from a return of the Tories to power they could get nothing.

Mr. Harvey alluded to a difference be had unfortunately had with

Mr. Wakley the last time be .dined at White Conduit House, and scarcely knew whether he should attend the present meeting or not; but as he thought his absence might be misinterpreted, he had resolved

to be present. He had, however, heard from Ilfr. Hume something which Stirred up within him those recollections and feelings which burst from him in spite of himself on a former occasion. He was well aware that there was not to be found in his Majesty's dominions a gentleman better disposed to pursue a policy be believed to be calcu. laced to advance the great principle and object of Reform, than Mr. Hume; but in one respect he differed from him. Mr. Hume seemed to think the disturbance of his Majesty's present Government the greatest possible calamity. He should think so too, if they deserved by their measures to be in power— But the real question which the People had to determine was, not, as the honourable Member had said, whether the Whig or the Tory was the object of their preference or the object of their contempt, but whether the principles which either preferred were those calculated to promote the speedy attainment of good government, or whether they were such as would require another gene- ration to carry into effect ; whether, in fact, they were to live in hopes that what their great-grandfathers had not enjoyed, their great.grandebildren might? It had ever been the effort of party to inculcate the mystery of government ; and under the general impression, too prevalent with the People, that it was a nays. tery, the latter had been more inclined to listen to suggestions and receive con- cessions from the Government, than to act as they ought to do.

What was the course now proposed to the Reformers ?—

The apparent plan was (fur, personally, he was ignorant of it)—they had heard, indeed, that some interior, mysterious, quietly, secretly-moving party, highly respectable for its connexions, had arranged—tkat a certain series of mea- sures were to be brought forward one night after the other, and that there were to be some one hundred and fifty or some one hundred Members present to show their sincerity, and to give an opportunity to some of them to speak, to some to vote, and to some to remain away, neither to vote nor speak ; and then what was to be the finale of all this ? Take the division of last night. That wits the first of a series of valuable propositions—a no-qualification proposition; and he dared to say that there was no person more surprised than the honour- able Member then in the chair, who, in an eloquent speech, seconded a speech eqsally eloquent, at the minority on that occasion. Then the next question was to be the vote by Ballot. He should not be at all surprised that, by some little stimulus or other, the minority of 104 might be augmented to 180 or 2:10. Then, another experiment was to be the shortening of the duration of Parlia- ments, on which the division might be 150 in support it : and so they would go on through the session, and congratulate themselves that they were doing something ; for be could speak of a long Parliamentary life as well as his honourable friend ; and he remembered how the Catholic question was bandied about between the two great factions for thirty yeara,—the parties being some- times in a considerable minority and sometimes in a small majority ; but the game was kept up for thirty years, until the people of Ireland tlid that which the people of England ought to do now. (Loud cheers.) Nosy he would tell the meeting what he thought should have been done- " The Conservatives are three hundred strong, and they move with the ma- lignant energy of one man ; but the Whigs are not three hundred strong—they are the weakest of all the parties. The Radicals of all shades, every man meaning well, but doubting how best to express his meaning, amount to some- thing like one hundred and fifty. Is it not then palpable, that the merely Whigs depend upon the Radicals 1 The Government hangs on the hands of the Radicals. We can command what we like ; but there is a certain timid class, and they are becoming more so as they grow older—( Cheers, laughter, and hisses)— who think that if the course which I am about to intimate were purr stied, it would lead to the overthrow of the Whig party : to which my answer is, that if they do not adopt the views of the Radical party. the sooner they ate overthrown the better." (Loud cries of" No, no ! " and" Yes, yes!") The course which Mr. Harvey recommended was this—he would have the Ballot, Suffrage-extension, Short Parliaments, and other measures of Reform, passed in one bill by the House of Commons; and then— Let the House of Commons pass a resolution that, after a bill should have been sent up to the Lords and rejected by them, it should he taken into eon. sideration by the Commons ; and if the Commons estimated, not numerically,but according to the number of the constituents they represent, should, to the amount of two-thirds of the many millions thus represented, he in favour of the measure, then it should no longer be tendered to the Lords, but should be presented to his Majesty, to receive his royal fiat ; and if his Majesty, in the exercise of his superior wisdom, should withhold his assent, then the Speaker of the House of Commons should place upon that bill the fiat and impression of the sovereign mind. (Laughter and cheers.) That would become a legislative act worthy the representatives of a free people. Ile was aware that this measure might have an effect upon some minds similar to what the proposition of the honourable Member for Middlesex had on the minds of people in 1819, when he proposed that Church property should be declared to lw public property. But they were not to be afraid of the truth ; and when the truth was made known, it would soon be discovered that to govern intelligent men time mode was simple, and only required that the public mind should be appealed to, which would always exercise a sound discrimination, so that, to whatever changes it might lead, they might be assured it would lead to none from which any honest and intelli- gent mall ought to revolt. ( Cheers.) Mr. Roebuck said, he would have been much pleased if the speech they had heard from Mr. Harvey had been delivered a fortnight ago, when Mr. Harvey was surrounded by six hundred Representatives of the People ; but the eloquent voice they had heard that evening was silent within the walls of the House of Commofis- He wanted to know the reason why he was not slipper ter] then by that power- ful advocacy and that sarcastic tongue which they had heard to.night. He on that occasion believed that it was the time for expressing a distinct opinion on the People's behalf. Some of his friends thought, by doing so, he was going too far; but he determined to try the experiment; and what peculiarly galled

him at the present moment was, that finding an honourable Member of the House of Commons agreeing with him, he did not get up and support him on

that occasion, backed as he was by a numerous and Liberal constituency. It

was remarkable tint, among all the Liberal Members of the Metropolitan coo- stittiency, there was not une who should have had the courage to stand up in

the House of Commons and state that which they were ready to say before a willing asgembly. The real Democratic principle having been stated by him, it wasessential that it should have been shown that there were intelligent constr.

tuenciea in England, and more particularly in London, who sympathized with hint. There was an eloquent Member who could have supported him, and he could not get it out of his mind that lie did not on that occasion. (Laughter

and Mee; s. ) He was one of those who did not state out of doors what he was afraid to state in, or in doors what he would not state out. He stated in the House of Commons what he would state to the People. Ile treated the arms tocratic principle in that House with thesame contemptuous indifference as he did there; and he would *ay that he ought to have been supported in that manly expression of his opinions, but he was not. He would say, that it was hard fur him to come out of that House, where he had been watched and baited by a latge body of the aristocracy, and to find cowering democrats at his side. (Loud cheers.) He would Out give a farthing fur that courage which was not ready for is proper occasion. He was the courageous man who did not talk of meeting difficulties and beating them; but who, when he met them, beat them. (Chcers.) He thought Mr. Hume had been unfairly dealt with. He had often differed with his reverenced friend, but he never thought himself justi- SA in calling him a coward— He who for twenty years bad stood up in the House of Commons, and stood alone in c ppoeition to Tory power, and when, as he had told them, he was baited as if he had been a wild beast—ay, no one knew what an atmosphere the House of Commons was, but he who had been in it. They have had a powerful illustration of its influence in its silencing Members very recently afforded them. (Laughter and cheers.) Well then, if this powerful tongue, if this strong patriotism, if this vehement eloquence, could have been so silenced a fortnight since in a Reformed House of Commons, wherein were to be found, according to the honourable Member's own statement, a hundred and fifty Ra- dicals, what ought they to think of the potency of that House where, in the place of a hundred and fifty Radicals, there was not to be found one beyond my honourable friend ? What ought they to think of the potency of that aristo. nary which he then withstood, while battling the People's cause, when no other man dared lift his puny voice in their favour.

Mr. Roebuck ridiculed the idea of bringing forward a number of measures in one bill ; and defended the plan which the Reformers had determined on pursuing, that of introducing the several measures they advocated in separate bills— He contended that that was the proper plan to bring Members of Parliament to the test on each particular measure. He had already told the House of Com- mons, that which he had not found any of those burning patriots bold enough to tell them, that he did not believe the House represented the wishes of the Pottle. Ile had told them that the fault was in the House of Commons, and not in the House of Lords. It was mighty easy to tell such an audience as he was then addressing these things. They were willing listeners, aud he saw a sort of feverish feeling displayed in their countenances while men were talking to them of Liberal principles; but he could assure them that the feelings were very different which prevailed in the House of Commons. Instead of eager lie- tenets, he f nod fetdiugs of contempt and disgust exhibitCd towards every man who dared to :pledgee Liberal opinions. it was that which put down timid Re- formers. It was that ohich kept them silent. It was that which kept them like a sort of bottled elixir, which burst forth when brought into another at- mosphere. (Lose/ lau;;Ider and cheers.) He would have them bear in mind that the real frieltd of the People was he who bearded the House of Commons; and he would have them always remember, that the Member fur Middlesex had bearded them in days when no other man had courage to lift up his voice. It was on this ground that he had spoken warmly. He had diffeted often from his honourable friend, but that difference had never led him to express any timing bat the highest veneration fur his character. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Harvey with some difficulty obtained leave to "explain." He would not be dictated to by any man. He had been a Member of Par. liament when Mr. Roebuck was in his teens. He had supported Mr. Hume on all occasions since 1818—

lle was not aware, that because an honourable Member chose to get up on the first night of the session and make a truly out-and-out Detnnera• tieal speech, therefore it was his bounden duty to get up and support hint, and that if he did not do so he was deserting his duty. The honourable Mem- ber made no motion on that occasion, and was it necessary for Lim to get up and say to the Speaker, " Sir, ditto, ditto, to all that the honomable gentielnau has said ? " lie was a practical man ; and whenever the honourable Member for Bath should embody his speech iu a motion, he would endeavour to do jus- tice to himself and his constituents. lie did not think it was a tit occasion to make such a speech without moving an amendment, but be dill not censure it. He did not talk of the Honourable Member's sarcastic tongue—be Intlt gut one. Ile was talking of the mild poetry with which he spoke, and the ecLe- rous sympathy which he displayed. Bat this he would say, without running loose like the honourable Member, that he should not suffer any Member to get up before an enlightened constituency like this, and denounce hint for not having stated the principles which regulated his couduct in Parliament although be was ready to declare them eat of Parliament.

Colonel Thompson briefly addressed the company— If he might be permitted to throw in time oil to mix with the acid that bad mingled with their present feast, be should try to do it by dilating before the meeting upon the exceeding met its of the two individuals concerned, and their -claims upon the public affi.etion. ( Cheers.) They might compare him per- haps to that shepherd iu Vit gil who gave the prize to each of the contending parties, but he thought none of them could prove that he had not in this case followed a good example. Cheers.)

Mr. O'Connell made an effective speech, of great length, variety, and tact.