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At the Mansionhouse, on Saturday, Mr. Henry Hunt stated to

the Lord Mayor' his apprehension that he, as a manufacturer of roasted corn, was in danger of a visit from the Excise-officers, seeing the man- ner in which Mr. Heale had been treated by them. By the act for the regulation of licences, dealers in roasted corn, peas, and beans, and other vegetables, were required to be annually licensed, under a penalty of 501. for each neglect. That act had, according to the statement of the 'Excise Board, been repealed in the year 1825, as he was given to un- derstand upon application at the Office. He found, however, that at any rite no formal repeal had taken place, and he stated that fact to the Board ; but the answer he received was, that as the mention of that beverage was omitted in the act for the regulation of licences, the ne- cessity for taking out a licence was abrogated. The Lord Mayer thought there would be no danger likely to arise from observing what had been stated by the Board.

Mr. Hunt said, that in Mr. Ileale's case, the Excise waited till he had got a large stock laid in, and then seized it : how did he know they would not play him the same trick?

The Lord Mayor—It must he recollected that the conduct of the Excise Board was not the question on Friday. . It was whether the act prohibited the fabrication of any article in imitation of tea. He had decided upon that ques- tion in ]Ir. Heale's case, because he found that, notwithstanding all that had been battered into his ears by a learned sergeant, the nasty stuff had been made to imitate and be mixed with tea, and for that purpose alone ; and that nobody bought an ounce of it for other use, except two agents of the patentee, who had, in one year, bought a pound a piece—and much joy he wished them of their purchase ; so that 13,000 pounds weight had been made up for accommodating the grocers of the Metropolis and its environs.

Mr. Hunt was fearful still; he had between two and three hundred agents for the sale of his article, and was manufacturing it as actively as- ever. •

The Lord Mayor—" Well, I hope you won't use sloc.Laves or willow-leaves, or make any thing like the stuff I have condemned ; which is very appropri- ately called 'caper tea.' The decision has, I think, made the proprietor cut a very pretty caper. With respect, however, to your notice, Mr. Hunt, I dare nay the act you allude to has been virtually repealed."

[Sir Peter is pleased to be witty on this occasion. By his very questionable decision respecting Mr. Heale's British Leaf, that person has incurred a loss, taking his patent into consideration, of more than 2,000/. This is hardly a fit subject for joking. It is to be hoped that Sir Peter is not acquainted with all the circumstances attending this case; if he is, his feelings are no more to be envied than his wit.] Mr. Tilt, the bookseller in Fleet Street, appeared before the Lord Mayor on Tuesday, to answer a complaint made against him by Mr. Turner, the celebrated painter.

Mr. Turner stated, that he bad been employed by Sir Walter Scott to paint illustrations of the Antiquities of Scotland, and engravings had been made on copper from his labours. - Mr. Tilt had got hold of these engravings, and pro- cured a professional man to engrave from them on a smaller and steel plate, and published copies as illustrations of Sir Walter Scott's works, attaching to each . copy Mr. Turner's name as the original artist, Now, each a mode of carrying an -trade was disreputable; inasmuch as the plagiarism was calculated to deems plate, silks, linen, ladies' dresses—with more than two hundred pawn. the public and to diminish the repttation of the painter, and necessarily his prat.. kr. Turner produced copies from the original plates, and copies of the imitations; and submitted to the Lord Mayor, that the latter were likely to prejudice him in the estimation of the discerning part of the public. Mr. Call. cott, another Royal Academician and a gentleman of very great eminence, was

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subjected to similar treatment; so that t became a matter of necessity to cheek a practice which threatened to fasten upon painters the blunders and want of genius so manifest in the attempts of others.

The Lord Mayor asked what the custom of the trade was?

Mr. Turner said, that the moment the plate had been used for the specified number of copies, there was an end of it ; and it could be no longer used in any way, against the interest and consent of the artist. The plates he objected to had never been done from his drawing, although his name was attached to them. The gentleman who had engraved Rosslyn Castle" for Mr. Tilt had very properly, upon being appealed to, refused to assist in continuing the deception, and it was only reasonable to expect that Mr. Tilt would not, under the cir- cumstances, fill up the place of that engraver, in justice to the whole profession.

Mr. Tilt stated, in his defence, that

Mr. Turner had been one of those in whom the property in the plates from his drawings was vested ; and as soon as the plates had done their work, the proprietors thought proper to sell them to the highest bidder ; which he happened to be. As the property in the article was thus regularly transferred, he certainly bad a right to do as he pleased with it. He considered the copy- right as vested in him. He had purchased the plates openly; he had infoimed Mr. Turner of his intention ; there had been mu mystery or concealment ; cud as to the imputed injury w to the reputation of the artist, that as a point on which a difference of opinion might and did exist. The Lord Mayor—" Did you buy the copperplates as old copper or as plates?" Mr. Tilt said, that the value of the plates as old copper could not exceed .50s. ; whereas he had given for them 110/. The Lord Mayor---" I wish to know why, if the plates were done with—if, as has been said, they had done their work, and could not be fairly applied to any use of art—they were not destroyed, instead of being sold?"

Mr. Turner—" They were sold without my consent." The Lord Mayor—" But the sale is not disputed ; it was sanctioned by your partners in the work."

Mr. Martin and Mr. Callcott, the partners of Mr. Turner in the work, as it appeared from Mr. Martin's evidence, admitted Mr. Tilt's right to do what be pleased with the plates. Mr. Turner had been requested, but had refused, to retouch his own illustrations, and Mr. Tilt maintained that he wanted to have the whole job to himself. The Lord Mayor told Mr. Turner, that an application to the Court of Chancery for au injunction was the only course be could recommend him to take, as he could do nothing himself in the business : so the complaint was dismissed.

Gregorio Guinea, a Spanish refugee, was charged on Wednesday

with stabbing Mr. Le Vega, also a Spaniard. That gentleman is fre- quently consulted by the distributors of the funds for the relief of dis- tressed refugees, respecting the worthiness of the applicants ; and he had recommended them not to grant the application of the prisoner; who consequently had a grudge against him, which he determined to gratify. Accordingly, on Friday last, in the afternoon, when Mr. Le Vega was walking towards London Bridge, be stabbed him suddenly in the loins, with a sharp-pointed gardener's knife. He repeated the blow in the same place, and also struck him on the bead, before the by- standers could interfere Mr. Le Vega was too ill to appear at the Office ; but there were several witnesses to the attack. The prisoner pretended that he could not speak English, though he understands it perfectly well. He was remanded ; and in the meanwhile the Spanish Ambassador will be informed of the occurrence.

Judith Isaac Abrahams, a converted Jew, was charged on Monday,

at the Queen Square Office, with creating a disturbance in Zion Chapel, Waterloo Road, during divine service. It appeared that he was jealous of the minister of that chapel, Mr. Haslam, who had re- ceived his wife into his house in order to protect her from the ill treat- ment of her husband. The conduct of the prisoner was extremely violent at the Police-office; and be was ordered to find two sureties of 50/. each to answer the charge at the Sessions.

Charles Bampton, a compositor, and George Brown, a brass-founder,

were brought before the Magistrates at this Office on Tuesday, on a charge of exciting the people to attack the Police. After some evi- dence had been offered, Mr. White said, that he did not see any charge made out against the defendants. Mr. Gregorie was of a different opinion ; and as the Act of Parliament requires two Magistrates to convict, be desired the Inspector on duty to let the case stand back for a short time. In about an hour's time, Ali.. Groos, a County Magis- trate, entered the office, and took his seat upon the bench, when the defendants were again brought in. The evidence was read over, and the Act of Parliament was consulted ; when Mr. Groos coincided with Mr. Gregorie that the defendants were guilty of the offence charged. Messrs. Gregorie and Groos having consulted together, Sentenced each defendant to pay a penalty of 10s. each, or in default of the payment to be imprisoned for ten days. Mr. White—" Well, this is certainly a new way of doing business." Mr. Gregorie turned round rather hastily, and was about to reply; but Mr. White waved his hand for him to say nothing. The conversation dropped, and the defendants were removed.

At the Thames Police-office on Tuesday, John Large and Henry Sergeant, masters of the Hero and Brilliant Gravesend steam-boats, were held to bail each in two sureties of I00/., and themselves in 200L, to appear at the Surrey Sessions to answer to the charge of navigating their vessel at a dangerous and illegal speed in the Thames. The swell which they caused in the river filled several boats half full of water, and endangered the lives of those in them.

Thomas Copping, Samuel Langham, Charles Potts, and Eliza

Hopkins, were examined at the Hatton Garden Office on Wednesday, on a charge of breaking into the umbrella-shop of Mr. William Hill, in Goswell Street, and stealing a large quantity of umbrellas and other property. The three men were observed coming out of the prosecu- tor's premises, by the Policeman who afterwards saw them get into a hackney-coach and drive off at a furious rate. A party of Police soon mustered, and followed them in the direction of Field Lane, Holborn, to their house in West Street. Being refused admittance, they broke open the door, and secured the prisoners, after a severe struggle. The premises were searched ; and a vast quantity of property—consisting of

brokers duplicates, skeleton-keys, crow-bars, crucibles for melting plate, &c. was found. The prisoners, who are well-known thieves, were remanded.

William Godber was charged, at the Marlborough Street Office, on Thursday, with having committed a robbery several weeks ago, in the house of Six Thomas Hammond, Dean Street, Park Place. The robber had entered through the back premises, and carried off a gold box, iv or th fifty guineas, from a drawer in abed-room, and another gold box, worth thirty guineas, from a lower room. The prisoner, who had been a servant in the house, was suspected, especially as he had been seen lurking about the premises on the evening of the robbery. There was some additional evidence against him, and he was remanded.

Robert Blakie, a deserter from the 90th Regiment of Foot, was charged on Tuesday with stealing a watch belonging to Ann Lamb.

He pleaded guilty; declaring his preference for transportation as a felon, to a longer continuance in the Army: that was his motive for commit- ting the theft. He was committed for trial, expressing his earnest wish to be convicted.

On Saturday last, Mr. Archibald Campbell Barclay, a young gentle- man of good connexions, was charged at the Marlborough Street Of- fice with creating a disturbance in Mend Street, Soho.

A Policeman said—About half-past six o'Clock, his attention was attracted by an assemblage of persons at the lower end of the street. Upon going to the spot, he discovered the mob was occasioned by the defendant, who was preach- ing in a loud strain. Ile went up and informed the deflindant that he could not be allowed to remain there ; the defendant, however, continued to address the persons upon the sinful condition into which they had fallen, in spite of his re- quest to go away, on which he took him into custody.

Mr. Conant—" You hear what you are charged with ?" Mr. Barclay—" Yes ; I am charged with preaching the gospel."

Mr. Conant—" You are charged with causing an assemblage of persons in the public streets, and thereby creating an obstruction."

Mr. Barclay—" If preaching the word of God is an offence, then I have com- mitted one; but I created no disturbance or obstruction."

Mr. Conaut—" The constable states there were a great number of pu- ns about you, and that is against the law. Have you a licence for preaching?" Mr. Barclay—" I have not : I am desired to preach the gospel, and I am only fulfilling my mission." Mr. Conant—" You must, then, find bail to appear at the Sessions ; when you will have the opinion of the Bench whether you are allowed to preach or not without a licence."

Mr. Barclay replied, he had not bail, on which he was locked up. Shortly after, Mr. Conant sent and informed Mr. Barclay, that if he

would promise not to preach again, he did not want to send him to prison, or to incommode him—if he would give that pledge he should be discharged. Mr. Barclay replied, that be was the servant of the Most High, and he could not make such a promise. Subsequently, two gentlemen, came and offered themselves as bail, and said they were ready to enter into the required recognizances for Mr. Barclay's ap- pearance at the Sessions.

Mr. Conant—" And you will also be bound:for his not preaching again in the

streets until after lie has been to the Sessions ?" - One of the gentlemen observed that they did not see how they could comply with those terms. They were willing to be bound for his attendance at the Sessions.

Mr. Conant—" He cannot be allowed to preach in the public streets. But you shall have the form of the recognizances read over, and with which Mr.

Henry Drummond complied about three months back, when a gentleman for a similar offence to that of Mr. Barclay was held to bail. But it might be satisfactory to you if you each saw Mr. Barclay first, who is at the New Prison."

Mr. Edward Irving stated, that Mr. Barclays connexions were most respectable, though he had acted illegally in preaching in the streets. He then went to the prison to a :e Mr. Barclay. Subsequently, the required bail was given by the gentlemen above-mentioned.

Mr. Conant said, all he required of them to do was to prevent their friend from preaching at the West end of the Metropolis. He could go down to Bethnal Green and preach among the weavers; which he thought might be at- tended with beneficial effects; but at the West end it was not required. Mr. Barclay might go to any other place, if he liked it better than Bethnal Green. He should have no objection where he went to, so that he did not come to the West end again.

Thomas Kennett was committed on Monday, from the Union Hall Office, on a charge of breaking open the house of Mr. Ford, in the

Kent Road, by cutting a pannel out of the back-door. A knife was found upon him, which fitted into the indentations made in forcing open some chests of drawers ; and his foot-marks corresponded exactly with those made by the robber in the garden. There was no direct evidence against the man ; but the Magistrate thought this sufficient to warrant his committal.

Henry Hanckford and James Hincks were examined at the Lam- beth Street Office on Saturday, on suspicion of having stolen a writing desk out of the house of the Viscountess de Tagoahy, in Piccadilly, which contained money and jewels to the value of 2,000/. Hincks was seen with the box in his possession at a public-house, where he got it opened. It appeared that about eight in the evening, a man called at the house of Viscountess de Tagoahy with a letter for the housekeeper : he said he was to wait for an answer, and it is supposed that while he was left in the hall he admitted a second person into the house. The desk was safe in the bedchamber of the Viscountess about seven o'clock, and it was missed at nine. Hanckford, who lodged with the prisoner Eincks, was identified as the man who brought the note. Hincks's wife is in the service of the Viscountess ; but there is not the slightest suspicion she was concerned with her husband in the robbery. The prisoners were remanded.

The prisoners were reexamined on Wednesday ; some additional evidence was given against them, and they were fully committed for trial.