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MILITARY AND NAVAL FORCE 01? '1'111: CorNsrev.

In the House of Commous, On Monday, a minket lot' reading order of the day for going into a Committee of Supply, Imieg be.a pet rrom the Chair,

Captain BOLDER° moved an addl....so; to the Queen, praying her Ma- h.-ity to lay before the Honse the order issued to the lloyal 3intioes, ffhligimf, that corps tO PrOVia.2 tlIVIM,..,jv,.s with gTeakeettee' It el,. pitareil that lio such order hail been isstied, lea that, in cowl:lb:two with the ionLr-estahlished custom, the Moeines supplied thetusL•b: es with greatcoats. And Mr. CLIA111.1.:: Wow) stated, that althonOt the in- fimtry regiments were furnished wit it greatcoats as part or their tie:la- ments, in other respects they were subject to disadvantages from which the Marines were free, and therefore the latter had no claim to the indulgence. which Captain Bolder° wished to obtain for them.

Lord Homo: objected to these applications. He did not hesitate to say, that to encourage petitions for indulgencies from bodics of' armed men, was fraught with great danger to the country.

Sir HENRI' HARDINGE entirely concurred With Lord Itowieli. The military three should be the army of the Crown, not the army oil Par- liament. Ile hoped, however, that as it happned sometimes--it WaS the case now in Spain—that Marines acted oft shore precisely it: the same capacity as infantry, the Admiralty would take the question aiiont greatcoats iato their favourable considcratifm.

Mr. WA.at.r.v admired the delicate eourte.:y m•ith which Lord Howick and Sir I lenry Hardinge united to get rid of this question— The Army, said they, ficlong.cd to the U rovm, am', to the Crown must they look in all matters of this kind. But suppose the Crown acted in:justly and It rannically, what then ? There would be inquiry, perhaps, but no redress. leel Cetemently heard complaints made in that Muse, and substantiated, of the injustice which had been perpetrated hoth with respect to officers of the Army Mid Navy, but in no ease had the grievance been redresstd. lie la- mented to see the " ins" and " outs" hold together on such oreasions, liccause they felt their own authority was impeached, and the manner in whieli they

performed their executive fitvutimis. The noide lord just going out (if

mid the gallant officer wits about to succeed hint—(" No, nor mai a ho:!//,)---that was apparently the case : for Itimself, he wished to see frecmont Clian'es in tile Government ; it was his wish to keep the two thetione con- stantly. borore the eyes of the people. The deeds of t he Tories seemed to be a blank in the eyes of .Englishmen at present ; but they knew something Of the W1::;!, and there was a. general outery mminst them from one enit of the country to the other. (Loud lamihioc.) With the mere exception of the Palace, he really did not know whei:e a shigle Whig could be 'Mind. ((ba(i- umq batAter.) Ile hoped the gallant officer whit introduced this question ,•.(1111,1 divide the House upon it, unless the Admiralty gave a distinct pledge hilly to inquire into the ground of complaint.

Motion withdrawn.

The question that the order of the day be read was again pot ; when Tuomits ATTWOOD rose to move an address to the Queen, " praying that her Majesty will be graciously pleased to adopt timely and efficient measures for obtaining a due supply of able seamen for the British Navy." In support of this motion .Mr. Attwood delivered a long speech, parts of which provoked much laughter front the House. Ile endeavoured to prove that the country was hi ii defenceless state, awl lialtle at any time to an invasion from -Russia ; which could only IN.. repelled by a rising of the people fit ntasse, the evil consequenees of which wouhl be a revolution. lie laid upon il'ories, Whigs, and I-tacti- c:Cs, the Ilame of Imving brought the country into this lamentable con- dition. It is impossible to give a connected account of 3Ir. \Atwood's speech, hut a few of the more an-losing passages play be quoted. Speak- ing of the liussian fleet, be said— Every naval ollieer with whom he Im,1 conversed DOW said that a Russian Net will prove no despicable enemy. The it us.dens had now a fleet of:twenty- eielit sail of tho line in Cronstmlt. Our Ambassador, the Earl of DitrIttun,, lisd sailed eloit,1:: with that fleet, as lint also Commander Cranford, who had. • id cmi all amminit of its state of preparation, thr which the country could never

I e sutiieit ntly grateful. year before last, the Emperor of Itussia had hottight the whole ut thme twenty-eight sail of the line together at Cronstattt,

:old hod taken 16111 out to sea to ill one ilet.t. IAA year lio 'v tuimhct not brim- them It.t.tether in one fleet to insult Engl: thl ; lie and his coilliei'dont were too 111■■• IZ;1 IIiat : for the priteeedings of the of Commons in the

meantimo hal struch fear into their hearts, llitt the Itventy-eight sail of the

Elie were still at Cronstadt, and all last year soatisi Russian soldiers still Ci'.

" put it to the Whigs." said Mr. Attwooil, though the ('Iii :t: (If Polat 1 think little of' them ; I put it to the ll'ories, and. 1 think little 'et them too; I vitt it to the Hamm& in this llouse, and ot all the three flu:them 1 thin them the worst—(Roit/S. tari9litiP)-1. pllt it to thenl

111 tIll'CC ; and, though bad is tlw best, 1 dunk the aories the least miekeil tit

all,—yes, I tear that 'i Icis, tid Tories, and 11atlical,, have into

it compattt, a treasonable compact, to introduce Russian soldiers into this

country to traft,Ile its poor itfulicals out of doors. (Thvirs lagght, r.) TI ui'

appenr..: to bo supposition—(" Ifettr, h,-,tt. :" (ow, .1fr. Ilurne)—; nil thc

dlr.'s tire wild in which we live—and we set m lii circumstances ari,t• cs-cry minute—and \Own I know the miseries of tile people of England, their

ttrievances and their thorough discontent, and when I know that and

Radicals have vese alter year turned a deaf ear to the sounds of calamity and. wo, I may bo iiilowed to imagine that there is such a thing as treason in this

House. (" Hear!" mid 111 not say that it is se, hat I Inlist lie per- lnitted to 1in:1011e that it nilly lie so. Either treason or huh ecility it it have

no sal...lei/in of the integrity of tny honourable friend below me, the Member fit]. the ,.1 dmiraltv—( Laugh/I:0-1 forgot the place for which he is a Member— (..1/e. /rot,/ said "ilubjitat'')—but I bave a strong suspicion of It i want of 1:0t say timt matters would have been better under the Tories ; for he recolleeted their doings in I sl.2;-8-9. I Its coritemled Una the Ibthe of 1 Veliit•ixton had pocketed. from Russia such an insult as in IwVirr Sillet1 be suffered it to make war Ill/hit Tlirkt;,-. because, forsooth. Russia said she had a private teeirrel with Turkev. tie the treats: of' Unkiar Skelessi was a more bur:tine and deeming dein:elution otil I : Russia wonl.1 soon have the Darda- nelles, and l'Olistaiiiiimple; she would be in possession of both by. next July%

It v.es ;rte. that ml:rlit retake liotli : hut at what a :sacrifice of dIo and treasore: It we.ibt rio,Itire tin army Of :0.11110 Ill, II, and a Ilea of thirty sail of dte 'itte. wa airaid that the poll:le:it ecentimist, with 31r. Home an 2111211.11cad, Wlatia Sada a procticg oil the scot,' of eXliellSti. (n //car, it,frp.'“ (tom _1/I', w ill 1,0 in ro:11.,11d it ? YeS, lie

wh, I, e,i;:iiiiand it, Those sb,, Inea- i■al'utt II: 01011r by tila 1,1 1:a1 praWk.,,,ilv tilL. :tad ‘ITTC Itta',p0,1 lap ill 1101111t. ■,11111Iaa,, pence, might mill this advice roniantie. (- hear, hcar .10,1? .11r. /lame.) But such w;::, this light in ehiell tho great statesmen of the het ter doss of h.:tied:m.1 would have considt red. it. Would the great Chatham—that e.larum et e., 1.ohele 1010 S:I1,1 t ilOt IIC WIlllicl stake the NORM. iii qiin.! in the contest rather than suffer 1Iussla to get tossession of it single village on the Black t-,tet—have suffered the :orogen': metmees of the Czar ? * * * We ought not Si, quarrel al 'chit Tories. M. big,. and Radicals, aS the GreckS of Constantinople %% lien the Turks uere

thimilering at tin' 111,Ilt1211 about pritee aod we ought lo forget

et-cry hor siittablile a! out Cittliolie, ost lfisselthrs ; all sam.o danger, :inth the common interest of all requirtil munition exertion : & tery un- worthy feeling ought to be discarded, anti it determined effort wade -to proteCt the SiiiIety and honour of the country.

A prophecy of 1)avid. Ilunte was now fulfilled— That historian, whose charactrr sotto:thin:2.. of the proplkt Vs r...11 as the politician, seventy yttir.s tei;0 foretold. in 1.ralitifol and interesting

d ennui into the the day was not distant Atm the goveritment of Englan hands of men more interested in seppportilig the National Debt titan in main-

mining the inter: sts and hammy of eeiontry awl at that tittle, sail I kin:. l'atiatty W:11 atttttlel ill (11 latialWt it insult and Mgr:Motion ; hilt it Is pro- that iIireitiit ill have regard to forlin.r power and Lion', and m ill he fearful of uols..4.;:r„!. the Eugli,11 peorlc, lest that glorious peoPle

rise up and eNeente Iip011 thair tissailants; and thermore tinseieit nat ions will probably tiso jileasiired illsolenCe in their aggression. Now,

he coultt explain tile prophecy or Dame 1 no douitt the Ilii,sians would use nteasered insolenCe. They tct,ltt,l not lake Sheerness, not because they could not ; they would not take London, net because (mull not ; but because. it' they did so. they cvtsii,l rouse tit,. furl- of ill... English people, tlw 'Ministers would be :-,aeriticol, and a revolution of' *the most dee:Mild character wadi] ii,tantly burst Up011 Elirope, Ho If a million of Rus- rigging all rotten ; he sent for fresh stores, and they came out to him all rotten. Some remarks were made on Lord Minto's distribution of patronage among his friends and connexions. Admiral ADAM did not deny that such bad been the case, but said that Lord Minto had not appointed an unfit person to any office. Admiral ContuseTore com- plamed of the low pay and pensions of the military compared with those of the civil service. These are all the noticeable points of the discussion.

The report of the Committee was brought up on Wednesday. On

the motion that it be " received," Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON made some :observations on Mr. Thomas Attwood's speech relative to the ambitious

proceedings of Russia. Sir Edward said with respect to the last war 'between %ask and Turk ey.—

Thefaet was, that R ussia had been forced into this war. against her inclina- tion. He had declared this at the time, and he said so now. If the treaty had been fairly carried out, anti if Mr. Canning bad lived, or ifs different view of the subject had been taken by his successor, a war would not then have taken place between Russia and Tark`ey. Ile believed if the tidal words " untoward event " had not been used u ith respect to the battle of Navarin, the Turks would have pursued a different course from what they did, and they would not have forced on a war Nvith Russia. The inference that was drawn by the Turks from the words that be haul just used was, that England was anxious to break with Russia and France and to take part with the Turks. The con- sequence was, that Turkey insulted Ittee iii, and showed clearly that she did not intend to fulfil the stipulations that she had entered into at the Treaty of Adrianople. Thus Russia was forced into the war, which undoubtedly led to her future aggrandizement. As tiir the Turkish fleet being destroyea, the ships belonging to the Turks that were destroyed at Navarin, were vessels that would not have been considered serviceable by any English officer, as they could hardly sail. The great disaster fell upon Mehemet AU, who lost many more valuable ships than the Turks : therefore, Mr. Attwood was wrong in supposing that the battle of Navarin was the means of giving the Czar a triumph over the Turks.

THE ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

On Wednesday, Sir lIessisv VIVIAN brought forward the Ordnance Estimates, in a Committee of Supply. It appeared from Sir Ifussey's statement, that though in sonic departments he bad been able to effect a saving, the gross excess of estimated expenditure for the current over the last year, would be 153,0491. He dwelt with much satisfaction on the substitution of percussion muskets for the ordinary description, and other improvements in fire-arms- Formerly, the pistol, the combine, and the musket had each a different bore. Now they bad similar bores, so that the same bullet would answer all. A supply of percussion-rifles had been provided for the Rifle Cerp, and had been approved of by the Commander-in-Chief. The combines which hall been sent out to Caned/ had been spoken of in the highest possible terms in the report of the officer commanding there. They had been approved of also by the com- manding-officers of the Fifth .Dragoon 'Guards and the Seventh Hussars. The muskets provided fin' the Lillintry, Sir Hussey believed he might venture to say, were of a very superior description. A. trial had been made by the Marines of the new muskets, with very extraordinary results: the report was, that out of 2,800 rounds fired by the percussion-muskets, only 9 missed fire; whereas out of the same number tired by common flint :muskets 822 missed tire. The num- ber of hits by pereus,ion-muskets Was 777, while the hits with the common muskets were only 51o.

Mr. HUME regretted the increased expenditure. "Reformers," he said, "were in a false position. He felt unwilling to change sides, but his duty urged hint strongly to do so."

Colonel THOMAS remarked, that the barracks was in a most disgrace- ful state. Mr. Hume, who was so eager to curtail the comforts of the soldiery, should recollect how h had ad amassed his own fortune ; he believed Mr. Hume knew better how to feed than to physic soldiers.

Mr. Hume said, it was utterly untrue that he was indifferent to the welfare of the soldiers : no man in the House had shown a stronger disposition to benefit the soldier. Ile had been the first to propose the abolition of flogging. When Colonel Thomas said he wished to deal harshly with the soldiers, he stated a falsehood. (('ries If" On/ti 1") What he said, he was prepared to prove. Colonel Thomas had also alluded to his connexion with the Army ; if he had any charge to snake, let him bring it out. Ile had done nothing, (whatever Colonel Thomas might have done,) in early life, of which he was ashamed.

Colonel THOMAS said, he alluded to the fact that Mr. Hume had been an Assistant-Surgeon stud held an appointment in the Commissariat Department. Whether he acted in a double capacity he knew not. As to the assertion that lie had uttered a falsehood, it was beneath his contempt. (('ries of Order!")

The Chairman here interfered, and the altercation ceased.

Sir Hussey VIVIAN said, that if the barracks were in a disgraceful state, it was not his limit. He bad sent circulars to the different com- manding-officers, asking them to report any complaints wills respect to their barracks, that he might attend to them.

Colonel Triosiss said, that as to there being no complaints, a general officer in the North of Ireland had assured him that he had forwarded as many complaints as would fill a room. No division took place, and all the Estimates were voted without alteration.

THE NORTH AMERICAN " BOUNDARY QUESTION."

Sir STRATFORD CANNING, on Wednesday, put the following ques- ions to Lord Palmerston— First, whether the Government had received any official intelligenee of the appointment of an .1anerican plenipotentiary, to open fresh negotiations in London us to the adjumment of the Boundary question. Secondly, whether the Government had any reason to believe that Sir John Harvey had acqui- esced in the line of conduct recommended to hint by her Majesty's Minister and the American Minister at Washington. And thirdly, whether the Govern- ment bud any objection to lay upon the table a copy of the instructions to which Sir John Harvey, in his letter of the 18th of February addressed to the Governor of Maine, hutd retbrred; making it imperative upon him to maintain by military force, if necessary, exclusive jurisdiction over the disputed ter- ritory.

Lord PALMERSTON replied, that a despatch from Mr. Fox informed him that the appointment of a minister from the United States to this country was under the consideration of the Government at Washing- ton ; that when Sir John Harvey's last despatch was written, he could slot have received intelligence of the arrangement between Mr. Fox and Mr. Forsyth ; and that it was not expedient to produce the insteeetito: given to Sir John Harvey, in the present state of the dispute R f

• e e t convinced that the American Government was as desirous as the British Government that pending differences should be amicably adjusted.

Mr. CHARLES BULLER said, that, in his opinion, the claims of both the British and the American Government were untenable, and this country would gain most by abandoning her untenable line, and accepting one more consonant with justice.

Some conversation followed respecting the production of an old map of the disputed territory, (Mitchell's map, executed in 17570 which might be seen at the British Museum, and which Lord Palmerston ars. amused to lay on the table.

APPOINTMENT TO ECCLESIASTICAL BENEFICES.

On Monday, Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the order of the day for going into Committee on the Ecclesiastical Appointments Suspensiou Bill ; and took the opportunity of correcting some misstatements re. specting the bestowal of the Deanery of Exeter on his brother, Loss Wriothesley Russell— It hail ken stated that he intended to introduce a clause into this hill to meet the case of his relative, who had been nominated to the Deanery a Exeter; and, in consequence, an attack had been made on his relative aud himself. He trusted, therefore, tint he should be allowed the indulgence of the House fbr a very few minutes, while he alluded to this subject. It had been said that the object of this clause was to enable his near relative to fill the Deanery or Exeter, which he could not at present fill without smne snit pre- vision ln:ing made. Now, this statement must have been made by one who had not read the clause, or at any rate who had not widerstood it. The bill now in progress on the subject of the Deans and Chapters imule provision that there shourd he nothing therein to prevent the Crown appointing to Deans sad Chapters. Now the clause that he intended to introduce iuto the present bill the Suspension-Bill—made provision that a persou might be impointed to a Deanery by the Crown without being previously a Prebend. These who pre- pared the hill, the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, to whom he had referred on this subject, declared that it never was intended to deprive the Crown of the power of up pointing persons Deans who were not previously members of that particular Chapter. They also added, that if at present any thin., of the kiud was believed or experienced, that it should at once be remedied. 'It had been muted to hint by some of the Church Comthissioners, who vere not celleagues of his, that the clause that he intended to propose should appl; to every vacancy which now existed, as well as to those which might liereafiir occur, He had declined this, however, with respect tut any vaeaney which new existed, mid should propose that the claim referred only to those tint might hereafter exist. There was one very important Deanery to which the chant would apply if it had this past operation ; but he should not propose that it should refer to other than vacancies that might hereafter occur. As the in rsun appointed to this office was a near relative or hits u,uvuu, and as the circumstiv.ce had been mentioned in the way that he had described, he begged to state, that in re- commendin. him to that thvour of the Crown through the Prime Mini-ter, he knew that lie only recommended a person whom he cote cientiously considered an oruament to the Church—(Load cries (y. "./frur, heqt from both shies); and he knew likewise, that in asking that this particular Deanery or Eseter should he conferred upon him, in case it should be found by the j;)int opinion or the Law Officers of the Crown and Sir William 'Follett that the Crown could not appoint him as be was not a Prebend of that Cathedral, it would be no disappointment to his relative. Ile had always lived on the most atlielionate terms with this relative; and be knew that on his first going into the Church he haul two livings conferred on him, the one tiroducins. between -100/. awl 500/. a year, and the other 1,2001. a yeer : finding he could not consvientieesly per- form the duties of the two parishes, he surrendered a living of ft a year, that he might be able to devote his time and care to the other perish aid' the smaller income. LTntler these circumstances, he trusted that mither lie nor his relative, Lord Wriothesley Rmsell, would be subject to any imputetion fur the part they hatt acted in the matter, nor that it would be suitpesed that they were actuated by interested feelings.

Mr. l'enxox HAneorme believed that Lord Wriothesley Russell was entitled to all the encomiums bestowed upon bins It was certsin that the Dean of Exeter must also have been a Prebendary of the Cathe- dral ; and as the Prebends were in the gift of the Bishop, tissre might be some delicacy in this matter. He should have touch pleasure himself in moving a clause to meet the peculiar case of Lord Wriothes- ley Russell, since, in consequence of his relationship, Lord John Russell declined doing it.

Lord ASHLEY bore testimony te the high attainments and exemplary character of Lord Wriothesley Russell.

The bill passed through the Committee.

is the additional clause which Lord John Russell introdue,..I—" Aid be it further enacted, that nothing in the said first-recitel Act cunt:tilled, Mir any thing contained in an Act therein recited, passed in the seventh year of the reign of his said late Majesty, intituled An Act for suspending kw out year Appointments to certain Dignities and Offices in Cathedral and Celle- gittte Churches, and to Sinecure Rectories,' shall prevent tin: collation or ap- pointment of a Canon or Prebendary to any Canonry or Prebend it shall become vacant by reason of the vacancy ot any Deanery in any Cathedral or Collegiate Church wherein, according to the statutes or custom.; of such church, the Dean l'ias heretofore been -elected or appointed from ainongst the Canons or Prebendaries thereof."]

MISCELLANEOUS.

Linn Purer. On Monday, hieing interrogated by Sir Roemer PEEL, Lord JOHN RUSSELL mentioned the 11th of April as the day on which Ins should take the sense of the House on the Irish policy of' the Govern- ment; but on Wednesday he said, that as Several Members "had re- presented that it would be extremely inconvenient for them to come to town on that day," he would postpone his motion till the Monday follow- ing—the 15th of April ; on which day he would " move a resolution respecting the Executive Government in Ireland."

JAMAICA. Mr. LABOUCIIERE'S motion respecting the government of this island was on "flue paper" for Tuesday, but on that day there was "no House." On Wednesday, Lord JOHN RUSSELL hoped that leave would be granted to introduce the bill, of which Mr. Labouchere had given notice, although it was not regular to proceed with a "dropped order." Sir Romer PEEL did not think it proper or respectful to take up a dropped order, even when the matter was of slight huportance; but on the present occasion, when the subject was of grave moment the suspension of a constitution—he could not allow the motion to he made without fresh notice. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then said, that Mr. Labouchere would give another notice for an early day after the recess. POOR-LAW AMENDMENT ACT. In reply to a question from Lord Granville Somerset, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that he intended to in- troduce a bill to renew the Act ; which would confer additional powers on the Commissioners with reference to unions formed under Gilbert's Act, and other matters: he did not intend to make any alteration in the Bastardy clauses.

RAILWAY MONOPOLY. Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET preseuted a pe- tition from 190 persons, representing great wealth, carriers of goods between London and Birmingham, complaining of the refusal of the London and Birmingham Railway to convey goods for them on the usual terms. The petitioners had endeavoured to procure redress by an application to the Court of Queen's Bench for a nutiulanins, but the Court had not the power to interfere effectually : they therefore prayed for the interference of the House to compel the Railway Company to abide by their act of incorporation, and take the goods of the peti- tioners on the same terms as that company conveyed the goods of' other parties. Mr. Poumsre THOMSON said, he had been prevented by illness from bringing this subject before the house; but lie intended to move on the Ilth of April for the appointment of a Select Committee to con- sider the powers given to railway companies, which, unless controlled, alight be converted into a very injurious monopoly.

DUKE or WELLINGTON'S ESTATE BILL. The Lords met on Saturday for the purpose of reading this bill a second time, and forward- ing it through the Committee ; which was done ; and on Monday the bill was read a third time, and passed.

CRIME IN IRELAND. On 31011day, Lord WHARNCLIFFE, who had been appointed Chairman of the Select Committee on the state of crime in Ireland, moved for the production of certain medical certifi- cates, upon which commutations of mmishment had been made by the Lord-Lieutenant ; also that Colonel Shaw Kennedy and other witnesses be summoned to attend before the Committee. Motions agreed to.

WAR IN Isms. Lord Bnounuast, on Tuesday, asked Lord Mel- bourne, whether Ministers had received any recent information from Persia, and of the proceedings of the Anglian chiefs Lord MELBOURNE was understood to reply in the negative.

CANADIAN PRISONERS. On Lord 13noroirgm's motion, the Marquis of NORMANTIY consented to produce a series of returns connected with the offences, trials, and punishments of prisoners engaged in the Canadian rebellion. Lord Ilnouuman observed, that the practice of treating political offenders like common thieves or highwaymen was very repre- hensible : such men were not to be mixed up with common felons. Ile had been infbrmed by a person who had seen one of the Canadian prisoners now in England, whose sentence was yet undecided, that their heads were shaved and they were compelled to wear the prison-dress.