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CHURCH LANDS.
In the House of Commons, on Monday, Lord JOFIN RUSSELL moved, "That a Select Committee be appointed to inquire him the mode of granting and renewing leases of the landed and other property of the itiahops, Deans, and Chapters, and other ecclesiastical bodies in England and Wales; anti into the probable amount of any increased value which might be obtained by an im- proved management, with a due consideration of the interests of the Established Church, and of the present lesseea of such property."
Lord John observed, that the small majority by which the Govern-. ment plan for the abolition of Church.rates had been received, did not justify the expectation that it could be passed into a law this session. But, being convinced that the proposition was just and reasonable, and had not been successful only because it was misunderstood and had been misrepresented,--and having resolved not to abandon that plan, Ministers had thought it advisable to propose an inquiry, the result of which they were assured would do away with many objections enter- tained against their measure for abolishing Church-rates. He was cer- tain that it would be proved that the present mode of dealing with Church property was not for the interest of the Church, the lessees, or the public. Lord John went into some details of the mode of leasing Church lands ; describing its uncertainty and frequent injustice both to lessors and lessees and their families ; remarking especially on the hard- ship which under the present system would be entailed on the Arch. bishops of Canterbury and York, the Bishops of Durham, London, Winchester, Worcester, and Salisbury, who by a recent act would have so deliver a regular sum to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, while heir own income was contingent on the fulling-in of leases and the itath of tenants. It was a proof of the necessity of introducing some -.-eiorni into the present system of managing Church property, that, be- '714* een the years 1750 and 1834, thirty-three Acts of Parliament had aasen passed for enabling parties to let or dispose of such property. In acnoe cases, the bargains made under these Acts required explanation, a-hich might be given to the Committee—
One caae occurred in 1763, when the Dean and Chapter of the Cathedral of 34:. Paul's conveyed away certain Church property in the manor of Finsbury. it appears that the Corporation of London beimg desirous to acquire certain property in Finsbury, obtained the sanction ofPalliainent, and, in conse. luence, a lease of sixteen years was cancelled, with tlic emsent of the 'Bishop of London, into a lease for ninety-nine year ; the moiety of income of the aroperty to go to the Corporation, the other moiety to Dr. Wilson for life, and at his death two-thirds to go to his heirs; the consequence of which was, that mity one•sixth went to the Church, and the other five-sixths to the City and Wilson's heirs. Thus, it appears that five.sixths of the estate were Zonated, and only one-sixth left to the Church.
Siace 1790, the peded of the Land-tax Redemption Act, 3659 sates had taken place ; the suns received being 1,460,000/. These sales znignt have been arivantageous to the Church, but it would be well to as-certain Mu tiler such were the fact. It was certain that the expense ai eXecting sales and purchases might be diminished by a general act. IVIth re-pect to the surplus which would arise from the interference of the leeislature, one party would agree with him that it ought to be applied the abolition of Church-rates; others would contend that it should 're. :Jet apart for the religious instruction of the people in the tenets of the Church of England ; but he thought that both parties ought to support his motion, which was to ascertain the manner in which Orurch property could be most advantageously managed, in whatever -Pray its proceeds might be applied. It was for the good of the com- munity that the inquiry should be made; and he thought that such a onsideration ought to prevail over any reluctance to lower the pride tad dignity of the heads of the Church.
Air. GEORGE PALMER could not agree to a motion the tendency of -which was to alienate Church property, and make the beads of the Clutch stipendiaries.
Sic HARRY VERNEY would not consent to apply any surplus to pur- ;eases unconnected with the Established Church, but would certainly rote for inquiry.
Mr. Gousaenst was willing to improve the system on which Church Church property was managed ; but the proceeds of such property, 'however obtained, he never would consent to alienate from the Esta- blishment. There was no occasion for this Committee. There was already an Ecclesiastical Commission in existence ready to give Ministers all the information they needed. He could not shut his ayes to the danger of the proceeding proposed by Lord John Russell, and its very great inconvenience—
To do their duty, the Committee must inquire into the profits of the lessees af Church-lands; they must examine into the private affairs of those lessees ; racy must see how far they had already improved the property, and of what farther improvement it was capable. How was all this to be effected,—espe- cially when it was recollected that the object in view was adverse to the pecu- niary interest of the persons whose situation was to be investigated? The inquiry tvould indeed be of the most complicated and difficult nature. It would go to the development of all the private affairs of the individuals con- s'erned, and would in many cases he exceedingly injui ices to them. The im- mediate repayment of sums advanced on the security of Church property would be demanded; and the effect would be ruinous to immediate, and detri- meats.' to future interests.
Mr. GAL1.Y KNIGHT and Mr. WASON briefly supported, and Colo- nel S(111110111' opposed the motion for a Committee.
Lord Joust RUSSELL " explained, " that the Ecclesiastical Com- missioners, both lay and clerical, not belonging to the Administration, had resolved to suspend all consideration of that part of the duties in- trusted to them which referred to the abolition of Church-rates; and therefore it was necessary to have a Committee, if there was to be any Inquiry.
Mr. HARCOURT VERNON opposed the motion.
Mr. I lanVEY maintained, that even the Reports of the Church Corn- 'aiissioners proved the Church of England to be one of the richest, if not the very richest, in the world. It was admitted that its net reve- nue was 3,441,156/. ; but he bad no more doubt than he had of his own existence that it was really worth 5,000,000/. per annum. The lessees, he felt assured, might take comfort from the mode of proceeding pro- posed by Ministers. Ile could not help considering the proceedings before a Select Committee as indefinite, at least protractive. The Committee would scarcely bring their inquiries to a close during the aresein Parliament. Mr. Harvey entered into a defence and explana- tion of the claims of the Dissenters ; which, he said, Lord John Russell, by a clumsy contrivance, would throw into abeyance for three years. Now be would let the country know who were their real friends. One party should not run away with popularity at the expense of the live;et and he would therefore take leave to move, as an addition to Lord John Russell's motion, the words-
" And further, that, whatever may be the result of the proposed inquiry, it is rhe opinion of this House, that, after a time to be fixed, the payment of Church- ates in England and Wales ought wholly to cease."
Colonel TnomesoN seconded the amendment.
Mr. CRESSETT PELHAM opposed it.
Lord HOWICK contended, that experience had proved that it was in- Siscreet to trust the control of Church property to the parties by whom it was held. It had been found necessary to restrain them; and now it was discovered that the mode of restraint prevented them from
letting the instance, of the Church upon advantageous terms. He could mention one of his own knowledge, of the manner in
which ecclesiastical property was wasted— There was a particular lease of property belonging to the Dean and Chapter of Durham, which consisted for the most part of coal-mines. That property was heas,t to the Marquis of Londonderry ; and, since the year 1819, his Lord- ship bad paid in tines for a renewal of the lease a sum exceeding 100,000/. The doe for :1 icirewal made in 1834 was alone not less than 40,000/. At least seveu.eightlis of this sum were derived from a lease of coal property,—a pro-
perty which, it was obvious, when Once worked out, was for ever gone. The
surface property -of this estate was exceedingly limited in value. The effect of the system which had hitherto been pursued, therefore, was that this large capital, instead of being vested in the Funds for the benefit of the Church at large, whose property it really was, had been shared among the members of a particular corporation; and thus, under the existing system, the Church had lost in all time to come an income of at least 3,0001. or 4,0001. a year. This abuse it was utterly impossible to guard against, except by placing that species of pro. perty in the hands of some party having no interest in the immediate amount received.
Sir ROBERT PEEL was aware bow plausible a proposition the ap. pointment of a Select Committee was. Had he a political object in view, he certainly should not oppose it ; but he considered the propo- sition so very objectionable, involving so bad a precedent, that he, for one, never would consent to it—he never would vote for the appoint- ment of a Committee to perform the duties of the Executive Govern- ment. Lord John Russell proposed the formation of an Ecclesiasti- cal Cabinet to relieve the Government from responsibility and trouble. The Premier ought to appoint his own colleagues; for unanimity in this cabinet would be of great importance. After sitting some time, it would be found necessary to appoint a Commission : such inquiries, they would be told, might be better conducted by a Commission. It was quite absurd for those gentlemen who wished for a speedy settle. ment of this question, to vote for a Committee, which, as be believed, would result in a Commission. For his own part, he had rather be in a minority of ten than agree to the motion of Lord John Russell; but he trusted that the vote of the House that night would relieve all parties from the inconvenience which must result from adopting the motion.
Mr. SPRING RICE argued, that this was a proper subject for the in- vestigation of a Select Committee ; and quoted precedents in support of his opinion. He contended that the present Ministers had adopted the only feasible mode of settling the question of Church-rates; and reminded Sir Robert Peel, that the bait which he had thrown out to the Dissenters in 1833 had not taken them. All that was asked at present was inquiry—by inquiry alone could it be ascertained whether the calculations of Ministers or their opponents were correct. The House was not asked to declare that there was a surplus, or, if there should be one, to determine the mode of its appropriation. Inquiry, or no inquiry, was the question on which Members would vote.
The first division was taken on Mr. Harvey's amendment—
For it 58 Against it 489 Majority against declaring for the absolute abo- lition of Church•rates 431
Mr. GOULBURN moved that the words " That a Select Committee be appointed" be left out—
For the motion 236 Against it 319 Majority for the original resolution 83
Mr. GOULBURN then moved to add the following words to the resolution—
"With the view of applying such amount to the gradual diminution of the evils which flow from the deficiency in the means of religions instruction and pastoral superintendence by ministers of the Established Church."
'rhe division now was—
For the amendment a 265 Against it 291 Majority for the resolution as it stood ... 26 The main question was put and carried; and a Committee was ordered, to consist of twenty-one members.
Soon afterwards, the House adjourned, at two o'clock.
BRIBERY.
On Wednesday, the second reading of the Bribery at Elections Bill having been moved,
Mr. ARTHUR TREVOR protested against the "cruel penalties" which the bill would inflict— He was of opinion that bribery would never cease as long as a Parliament existed in Erigland—(Laughter)—as long as the constituencies were as they were; and he thought that that splendid measure the Reform 13111 had opened the door to bribery in a tenfold degree. (Laughter and cries of " Oh !") He thought so, because that bill had introduced into the elective body, persons of a description more likely to yield to corruption than any other class. He particularly objected to that part of the bill which deprived the individual from ever after holding any civil office in the state who should be once convicted of bribery. It was a degree of punishment far exceeding the guiltiness of the offence.
He moved that the bill be read a second time that day six months.
Colonel S1BTII0RP seconded the amendment— Why did not the honourable Member opposite bring in a bill that would ope- rate against the gentlemen on the Treasury bench, who were notoriously guilty of the most barefaced system of bribery. (" Hear, hear ! " and " Order ! ") He was not aware that there was any thing disrespectful in what he hail said. (Loud laughter.) Was it not notorious that the Government sent down their agents to Woolwich and Chatham, and other places, and marshalled the voters as regularly as so many soldiers ? (Laughter.) He objected, however, to this bill, from the impossibility of legislating at all upon the subject. How was bribe' y to be defined, For his own part, he did not know what bribery was. It had ever been his practice, and he hoped it ever would be so, to make pre- sents to those who were connected with him in that relationship which existed between a Member of Parliament and his constituents. He was in the habit of distributing, to the extent which the means he had at command enabled him to do, coals and blankets among his poorer constituents; nor could he ever pass the sick chamber of any poor man whose vote he had at any time solicited, without giving coins alms. If these things were bribery, then it was quite clear that he was himself quite as guilty of bribery as any person could be who received the bribe.
Mr. BAINES said, that so far from agreeing with Mr. Trevor and Colonel Sibtliorp, he was attached to this bill, not because it writ too fru., but because it did not go for enough. (Loud laughter.) Ile meant that his only objection to it was, that it did not go far enough. He objected that it did not contain arty provision against the payment of bead-money- Ile believed that there was no offence which stood more in need of being guarded against than that. He would mention an instance to prove this. The honour- able Member for Bradford would no doubt remember having seen a letter written by an unsuccessful candidate at an election for a town which the honourable Member did not represent, but to the representation of which lie had aspired, and in which letter the candidate complained that his unsuccessful contest at an election for one of the smallest towns in Yorkshire had cost 5,000f. ; and that he had, touch against his conscience, expended a large patt of that sum in head-money,—that was, in money paid to the electors by the head for their votes after the t lection, when the time for investig!iting this species of corruption was Pa•
sscd This was an offence that, in any bill for the prevention of btibery at elections, ought to be guarded against.
Mr. HARDY did not doubt that Mr. Baines bad in the first instance
expressed his real sentiments,—namely, that he supported the bill be- cause it did not.go fur enough. He had, however, found an opportu- nity of making personally those attacks which he was in the habit of constantly making in his newspaper. As to head-money, he had no objection to any clause which would put a stop to it : for his part, he should never burn his fingers with it again : but it bad as little to do with bribery as the Greek Loan.
The House divided; for the second reading of the bill, 70 ; against it, 0: PUBLIC WORK'S IN IRELAND.
On the motion of the Marquis of LaxsnowNr, the Peers, on Tues-
day, went into Committee on the bill for the encouragement of Public Works in Ireland. The measure %vas merely to extend the powers given by a former one for the same purpose. The bill provided that 50,000/. should be furnished by Government, where a like stun was raised by local contributions ; the expenditure to be superintended by a board of works. He wished this measure to be considered in connexion with the most important experiment they were about to make for removing poverty, from Ireland. Ile looked upon this bill as a safety-valve attending the operation of the general measure. But this was not the only collateral security, as might be seen from some papers recently laid on the table by Lord Glenelg. It was the intention of Government to promote emigration from all parts of Ireland. There was a constant demand for emigrant labour in several colonies—
In the course of the last four or five years, there had been an increasing
disposition to emigrate both to our North American colonies and to New Holland. To the latter place, which possessed peculiar advantages, upwards of :3,000 per- sons emigrated yearly ; they found in that colony increased advantages for re • ceiving those emigrants, and better means for providing for them when they arrived. The emigrants to our North American C010111eR R11101111ted to some- thing less than '25,000 or 31,000 yearly for the last three or for years. Upon this point it would be perceived that steps had been alicely taken by the lire- sent Government and by Lord Glenelg, to give encmaragement to emigration. The natute of that encouragement was not in the shape of direct pecuniary assistance to the persons about to emigrate; but they, nevertheless, afforded most important assistance to the party emigrating. Persons tette appointed at
wery port, who were perfectly qualified for the situation, and who had the
charge of superintending every thing relative to emigration. There was thus AD agent at every port, trom which it was convenient or desiriae that emigra- tion sheuhl be carried on, to furnish information and assistance. Government also was prepared to offer the me ois of emigration, not pecuniary means, but on the party wishing to emigrate paying a certain fixed sum, the Government would undertake his salt tratry,rt, as far as they could, to his place of destina- tion. Further, the Government would undertahe to provide emigrants upon landing with labour from the moment of their arrival at the particular place to which they had stated their wish to migrate ; and this he thought was a most important security given to emigrants. itiovernimmt wag not prepared to carry their at.istance fin then He hoped, however, that tioeet tonent and Parlia- ment would feel that it was their duty to watch the operation of those measures. All he would add was, that an enlarged and liberal measure of emigration, and the extension of public works in Irel ind on the principles of the present bill, would Le, in his opinion, highly conducive to the peace and prosperity of the empire.
After a few words from Lord FITZGERALD, Lord FINGALL, Lord WICK Low, and Lord BROUGH AM, the several clauses of the bill were agreed to, with verbal amendments ; and the report was ordered to be received on the following Friday.
THE WAD IN SPAIN, On Thursday, the Marquis of LONDONDERRY called the attention of the Peers to the progress of the civil war in Spain. lie was aware that the subject has been lately discussed with much ability and at great length in Parliament; but he had been absent from those dis- cussions ; and aa.he felt much interest in the events in Spain, he hoped to be excused for again introducing the subject. The Marquis went on to argue, that there was no hope of the speedy success of the Queen's army, inasmuch as now the Carlist Inrces amounted to 99,000 men, some well, others indifferently armed, whereas at the cltoa2 of the year 1835 they had only 56,000; and this ineri ase had been :male in opposition to a Christino force of 275 000, including irregular troops and armed peasants, besides auxiliaries from England, France, and Portugal, amounting to 23,000 men. This was the only novelty in Lord Londonderry's speech ; which was chiefly composed of the old topics of regret for the dishonour of the British arms, the cruelties of the Christino troops, and the superior caution of the French King, who had manifested a true regard for the honour of France when he declared that his subjects should only march to battle under the com- mand of French Generals. Lord Londonderry concluded by asking Lord Melbourne two questions,—
" First, whether any iustructioas or anthority bad been sent to Colonel Wyllie, British COMmiisioner in the North of Spain, to aid in the formation of any new British Auxiliary Legion, or to lend his exertions to beluee British soldiers to enter the service of the Queen of Spain ? Secondly, whether any further VO:11. mumeations had been received front the Spanish Government relating to their efforts to arrest the sanguinary system of the warfare?"
Lord MELBOURNE answered, that the Order in Council had been renewed ; which he supposed might be taken ii an answer to the first question, so far at it related to the policy Ministers intended to pursue towards Spain. With regard to the second question, he was not aware that any despatches on the subject had been received; but Ministers bad taken every opportunity of impressing upon the Spanish Government the necessity of carrying on the war in a civilized manner. If there wyre any despatches, they should be produced, unless the public ser- vice rendered their production inexpedient. Lord Melbourne declined again entering ir to the discussion of the Spanish question.
The Duke of WELLINGTON Wi,licd to know distinctly, wbeti.er Colonel Wylde was not actively employed in organizing another legun- of British soldiers? If he were, the Duke said, in his opinion, iho Colonel outstepped his duties ' • which were merely to report to hi: Government the operations of the Christino army.
Lord CARNARVON wished to God that this horrible Spacish had not disgraced civilized Europe. Ile deeply lamented me inter. ference; but as this country had interfered, and British soldiers hs4 been sent to Spain, he wished that at least they had been smiles British command, rind responsible to their own Government. Tit. contended cut some length, that it was highly impolitic to encourage s. murderous strife in the result of which no British interest wi.s re- volved, but which was carried on with an enormous outlay of Briv.eis money.
Lord Misrro defended the humanity and gallantry of General Emir and his troops. Lord LONDONDERRY briefly replied, and gave notice that on a fatessr: day he should move for copies of the instructions sent to Colossi. Wylde.
MISCELLANEOUS.
CORPOrtATTON OF LONDON. In reply to a question of Mr. WiLre:, in the House of Commons, on Monday, Lord JOHN lirssurl. saiZ that it was not intended to introduce any measure on the sultiect the reform of the London Corporation this session.
THE BUDGET. Mr. WALLACE asked Mr. Spring Rice, on Mon:lay, when he intended to open the Budget? Mr. Rice replied, that a sent lie be could not bring forward his financial statement without ;eters rupting the progress of public business. Sir Rourwr Peet. obse7res2, that the answer was unsatisfactory : the financial statement would oat; occupy one evening, and in the present state of commercial again ought not to be delayed. There was no subject of more importante the country than the present condition of its finances.
On Thursday, Colonel SIBTHORP, addressing the Speaker, said- " I wish, Sir, to ask a question, because I am told in the City that ti et very important question."
The ',EA e Ask the question." Colonel Sun
rrou ,, r— Yes, Sir, I am told it is a very important Tie" tie.s„ and in the City they wish to know when the Chancellor of the Exchequer wilt tiling on the Budget. And now, Sir, I ask him, in the face of the couctry, I ask him iu the face of this 'House, when does he 'man to bring se time Budget ; or does he mean ever to bring it on because then, I mean La him that—"
The SPEAK Order, order ! Put your quest:on."
Colonel Sr nritait e—" Very well. Then I mean to ask him does he trer. do his duty?"
Mr. SPRING Hier —" The honourable and gallant Member has tsr two questions. First, do I ever mesn to bring on Ow Budget ? I MI' Mfr.. yes. lie next asks toe, when? At the present moment I ant not able tletsnt_'
Colonel Surritont•—" Then the Chancellor of the Exeltemier lets fdl t.
di charging the duty that he owip tkr the conativ." ;1:;A; Mr. .1 lerlr and 'sr. :Forbes.
SIR SAMUEL WHALLEY AND Tun NORTH CEMETERY Cos:s...ars Comstrrrly. On Tuesday, this subject was resumed, and some nesses were examined ; but the matter elicited was utterly devoid, 'sr interest. It appeared that Sir Samuel Whalley had merely rammer toe ti clinical irregularity in ditecting the insertion of the words Ot part thereof" in the resolution of the Committee.
MANAGEMENT OF THE EXCISE DEPARTMENT. Mr. W E. GC Tuesday, called the attention of the House to the abuses; in the Esc:_i department, and the remedies proposed by the Report of the Costoe:4- sioners of Excise Inquiry. He wished to know why their rccommun• dation had not been adopted; mid moved to refer the Report in at i's- lion to Sir Henry Parnell mid Mr. Berens. Mr. Hume complaa.--arZ that so little had been done to remedy the Excise abuses. Mr. F. Banixe said, there had not been time to do much, and that the Trea- sury were willing to do more. Sir HENRY PARNELL rose to suea.k when the House was counted out, at a quarter past seven.
COMPENSATION TO EAST INDIA MARITIME OFFICERS. Mr. 1/'.E1f,F. SON moved the House to go into Committee on this bill. Sir .Trwr HOBHOUSE moved that counsel be called in. Mr. Sergeant Span': e appeared for the East India Company, and spoke against the L. After some conversation, Mr. Wigram the barrister appeared, nod az. dressed the House for the maritime officers. The Speaker thou pet the qnestion, that "lie do now leave the chair." Sir JOHN 1101:Pol.t," said "No." Mr. PRAED and Mr. lioniNsosi argued that the deers- of the officers deserved consideration. Sir Jonsi Holinorsu declersd, that after a careful examination of the details of the bill, he mini c..1*. that a measure more strange, more unfair, or more unjust, neve:- submitted to Parliament. He should oppose it in every stagc, and would now move that it be committed that day six months. House divided : for going into Committee, 32 ; against it, 68. So er4- bl:1 is lost.
COER(710N OF CANADA. Mr. ROBINSON inquired, on IVednesde-a,
ut the I'anada Bill would be introduced ? Lord JOHN .mld not tell. Mr. Rorisuce asked whether Government intendsd aet on the resolutions ? Lord JOHN RUSSE1.1.—" Not without sanction of an A et of Parliament." Nothing more was said. MANUFACTURE OF BONDED CORN. Mr. ROBINSON moved ti:,cond reading of the bill to allow foreign corn to be ground uuuultr exporuztion. Mr. llearneorr, Colonel Stnritoner, Mr. B duo Marauis of Cu Asims, Lord Damuismrcnei and Mr. llasma:\ , posed the :notion. Air. LABOUCHERE, Mr. WARBURTON, Lord .'!“. dun, Mr. Wyse, and Alr. G. F. YOUNG supported it ; and the Iiii 'v read a second time, by 53 to 42.
RECOVERY or TENEMENTS Muss. On the motion of Mr. AGLION, this bill was considered in Committee; and most of the clauses agreed to, after a warm opposition from Mr. WaesEv.
bum TITHE BILL. After a brief conversation, on Thursday, Les.", JOHN Ressrut. postponed the Committee on the Irish Tithe 111 from Friday the 16th to Friday the '23d.
EVIDENCE BEFORE COMMITTEES. On the motion of Sir Roar"-
13aTEsoN,.on Thursday, the Ilouse granted permission to the Clerk of the Committee on Orange Lodges to give evidence in the cause of Gore Jones versus Hunter, which is to be tried in Dublin next Monday. The evidence was wanted for the defendant, as a justificatory answer to a.prosecution for libel. Mr. ROEBUCK and Mr. HIE opposed the 'Motion, on the ground that the House should not encourage proceedings against parties who had given evidence under compulsion to the Com- iiiittees of that House. The SPEAKER advised that the required leave alsould be given, if thereby the ends of justice could be gained. Lord *earn'', Mr. O'CONNELL, and Mr. Sergeant JACKSON, supported the motion ; and it was carried without a division.
THE LADIES GALLERY. Mr. GRANTLEY BEaKELEY moved an address to the King, to carry into effect the recommendation of the Committee of the House of Commons in 1833 for the erection of a gallery for the ladies in the present and the new House of Commons.
He called upon the House to carry into effect a recommendation proceeding from a Select Committee of their own. Ile hoped they would not allow any rie to set aside the assertion of a great prerogative. If the practice of thwalt- mg the declared resolutions of the House of C011311100S were persevered in, a natter apparently of very light substance would soon assunie a grave character. lie should not then enter further into the subject except to observe, how very odd it was that Members who supported the motion for granting the Commit- tee, Should have been so changed in their views of the subject by the increased oxpense,—for be knew no other circumstance connected with it in which any alteration had taken place. The cost originally proposed was 2801. ; the grant moved in Committee was 400/. ; that alteration certainly created enemies to the plan. He professed himself utterly at a loss to understand upon what "round the admission could be refused. Why should they object to it ? If they placed a bouquet in their chamber, did they not find the air rendered more sweet? (A laugh.)
Captain CHETWYND seconded the motion, and the House divided. Ayes," 92; " Noes," 116; majority against the ladies, 24.
TWOPENNY POST CARRIERS. Captain POLHILL having presented a petition from the Twopenny-post.curriers, complaining of inadequate pay, moved that it be referred to a SelectCommittee. Lord SEvmora slid not think the pay inadequate. The carriers had 20s. a week, and lls. a week when sick, with 4s. for extra duty. Mr. F. BARING op- posed the motion. Mr. O'CONNELL spoke in favour of it. Rejected, by 33 to 19.
IIANWELL LUNATIC ASYLUM. A motion by Mr. GALLS KNIGHT, tor a Committee to inquire into the mangement of this institution, was supported by Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND, Mr. C. BARCLAY, Mr. AARON CHAPMAN, and Mr. G. F. YOUNG; opposed by Mr. WAKLEY, Colonel Wool), and Lord JOHN RUSSELL; and negatived without a division.
COST OF COMMISSIONS. A majority of 74 to 20 rejected a motion of Colonel SIBTHORP for a Committee of inquiry into the cost of public Commissions, with a view to diminish the same.
THE COMMITTEE ON FOURDRINIER'S PAPER-MAKING PATENT was revived, on the motion of Sir OSWALD MOSLEY.
RATING OF TENEMENTS. Sir IIARRY VERNEY obtained leave to bring in a bill to empower Guardians of the Poor to rate the owners ot the occupants of houses worth from 61. to 201: a year.
POST-0E110E. In the House of Peers, on Thursday, the Earl of LICHFIELD moved the second reading of the Post-offiee Consolidation Bills. In the course of the brief discussion that followed, Los d Licit.. FIELD took occasion to say that Mr. Hill's propositions were the most wild and visionary he had ever beard of. Lord A silliciaoN complained that Lord Lichfield, like all other Postmasters, looked upon his depart- ment merely us a means of taxation, instead of a great engine of civili- zation and commerce. Ile was himself convinced that if the rate of postage was reduced, the increase of letters would be immense. The bills were read a second time.
IICENtemilEs. The Bishop of LoNnoN, on Tuesday, presented two petitions against the Necropolis Cemetery Bill. One was from the parish of St. Pancras, the other from certain clergymen of the Metro- polis. The latter were alarmed at the diminution of mortuary fees occasioned and threatened by the establishment of companies for form- ing new burial-grounds-
It was within the knowledge of their Lordships that many of these schemes lad ken presented to Parliament, and two or three had passed into law ; and be need hardly inform their Lordships that great hardships hall resulted to in- cumbents in London from what they had already done. Let hint not be under- stood as disposed to stand in the way of great public improvements, us he was at once willing to admit that the practice of burying the e dead n the most crowded parts of the aletropolis was injurious to health, and in many instances an infringement upon decency. But their Lordships had rettised to pass the till for establishing the Cemetery in the Harrow Road without first providing that a certain compensatiou should be allotted to the clergymen from whose parishes the dead were zemoved to the Cemetery. He was sorry, however, to see that an objection prevailed amongst many of their Lordships to awarding compensation to clergy own under these circumstances. Their Lordships *tight to be aware, that in several parishes a great part of the income of the clergymen arose from fees, and more especially from mortuary fees. Many new parishes had been created a century or somewhat more ago, which were wholly unendowed, it being. supposed that owing to the great increase of the population a bUffiCiellt 111C0111C would be raised Mr the clergymen by fees. By the institution of these cemeteries in every direction, and thus taking away a great portion of such tees, they were doing, he would sot say an injustice to the clergy, but they were inflicting a hardship upon them ; and he thereMre thought that the clergy were not to blame if, with reference to the passing of those measures, they paid sonic attention to their own interests. He knew a particular parish whine his own gift, the income of the iucumbent of which had been already reduced by Ian/. a year, and that diminution was still going on. This, he could assure the House, was noth, any means a soli- tary instance. When such facts were proved in Committee, he trusted that their consideration would have due influence with their Lordships. There were other considerations of a moral and religious nature, such as the improper and promiscuous interment of the dead, which he was sure .would have due weight with their Lordship-, and induce them not to go too far, and not to carry the provisions of these measures to an extent which was not required by cousidera- lions of a public nature.
The petitions were laid on the ta'dc